"Bigfoot and the Muscle Machines" vehicle specs?

1F409

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I am looking for the specifications of several 1980s vehicles, namely the four "Muscle Machines" of toy/cartoon fame -- Bigfoot, Black Gold, Orange Blossom Special II, and Warlord.

Knowing next to nothing about the sport, I started with Internet searches. Information on Bigfoot was the easiest to find. Orange Blossom Special was shown in numerous photographs and videos, but the only data I uncovered was from a video review of the AMT/Ertl model kit, which included a sort of "biography" of the truck. For Warlord, I could find only a couple of photos. Black Gold was even worse: apart from its toy and cartoon references, I struck out entirely.

So, I called Patrick Enterprises, left a message, and got a return call from Dan Patrick himself. Mr. Patrick clued me in on how Warlord was cannibalized for other projects, gave me a couple of stats, and told me that old issues of magazines such as "Pulling Power" and "Off Road" might have the vehicle dossiers I need. He also made me aware of the fact that there are forums frequented by fans from back in the day.

If anyone here can provide scans of the relevant pages, or otherwise put me onto a good source of information about the topic, that would be most helpful. Thank you.
 

1F409

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There appears, also, to be an AMT/Ertl model of Bigfoot, but I have yet to find a picture or video showing the truck biography inside the instruction booklet. There are several of the kits (the 1984 version) for sale on eBay, but I'm not going to pay a hundred bucks just to see a piece of paper.

Again, if anyone has data on the various vehicles' performance, I'm looking for all I can get, in order to figure out how they compare to each other.
 

1F409

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Update: In my search for the truck dossiers included with the AMT/Ertl kits, I called the Tomy company. Their representative suggested that I contact the Round 2 company. Round 2 directed me to yet other number, for customer service. The guy at that final one told me that they might have the pamphlet archived somewhere, but they're not going to bother looking it up for me, because it's not in production (i.e., there's no profit in helping me). His suggestion was for me to check eBay, and despite my mention of the hundred-dollar price tags for such models there, he more or less told me "tough luck" and left it at that.
 

Paul curtis

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Update: In my search for the truck dossiers included with the AMT/Ertl kits, I called the Tomy company. Their representative suggested that I contact the Round 2 company. Round 2 directed me to yet other number, for customer service. The guy at that final one told me that they might have the pamphlet archived somewhere, but they're not going to bother looking it up for me, because it's not in production (i.e., there's no profit in helping me). His suggestion was for me to check eBay, and despite my mention of the hundred-dollar price tags for such models there, he more or less told me "tough luck" and left it at that.
As much as I know it will annoy Steve, and he is right because this place for a long time was the internet home of the Monster Truck Industry and I am glad to see it still up, your best bet is to check out some of the Old School Monster Truck Facebook pages. There are a ton of knowledgeable people on there and people that collect that stuff.


 

1F409

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As much as I know it will annoy Steve, and he is right because this place for a long time was the internet home of the Monster Truck Industry and I am glad to see it still up, your best bet is to check out some of the Old School Monster Truck Facebook pages. There are a ton of knowledgeable people on there and people that collect that stuff.
Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, privacy and ethics concerns preclude me from signing up for Facebook. If you know of anyone on there already who might be willing to act as a middleman, though, please do have them contact me. I'm also on Gab, if that helps (it has a chat feature); and previews of my various projects can be found there, too.
 

Fat Brian

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I can help you on the Bigfoot model front. There are three different versions of Bigfoot that have been kitted, a 78 Ford that would represent Bigfoot 1 or 2, an 87-91 Ford that could represent Bigfoot 2, 3, 4, 6, or 7 depending on what other details you add, and finally a kit of Bigfoot 10 that has an alternate Snakebite version.

The 78 kit is wrong in many ways mainly due to is being based of their existing 73-79 F-350 kit. The bed is wrong, the original kit is a Camper Special version where the rear axle was moved back six inches the spare tire carrier was added to a box in the passenger bed side. Early pre monster Bigfoot 1 had a small tool box in the passenger bed side but it was gone in favor of a regular bed by the time the 66's were mounted. The kit has fender flares but they're not really the correct style and are made to fit the stock wheel openings instead of the cut fenders 1 has always had. The axles are a Mack axle instead of the correct Rockwell units. The engine is a 360 FE instead of the correct 460 385 series engine though the transmission is a C6. Overall, it takes a lot of work to build a correct Bigfoot 1 from this kit.

The 87-91 kit shares the engine and axles with the 78 kit and they're equally wrong in this kit as well. The body, however, is very good and does a respectable job representing what the various Bigfoot trucks were running in this period. One of the biggest issues with this kit is the frame, it's the same frame from the 78 kit which is based on the stock F-350 frame. This is fine for Bigfoot 1, 2, and 3 which used a modified stock frame but Bigfoot 4, 6, and 7 used a square tube frame. So, you either need to swap in a 460 to build the rebodied Bigfoot 2 or a 429 to build the rebodied Bigfoot 3 or swap in a 460 and rebuild the frame to build the rebodied Bigfoot 4 or Bigfoot 6 and 7.

The Bigfoot 10 and Snakebite kits are very good, accurate representations of their subject.

As far as specs on the actual vehicles, there is a great series on Powernation where they rebuild the Alan Root 640 that eventually found it's way into Bigfoot 1.
 

1F409

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I can help you on the Bigfoot model front. There are three different versions of Bigfoot that have been kitted, a 78 Ford that would represent Bigfoot 1 or 2, an 87-91 Ford that could represent Bigfoot 2, 3, 4, 6, or 7 depending on what other details you add, and finally a kit of Bigfoot 10 that has an alternate Snakebite version.
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I have indeed seen the several videos regarding the restoration of Bigfoot I, and I've gleaned a few facts from those.

Sadly, much of the information you provided about the model kits will go to waste on me. My interest in the kit was merely for the instruction booklet that I presume came with the early Bigfoot model (the one released around the same time as the Orange Blossom Special II kit), particularly the dossier describing the truck's specifications -- again, operating on the assumption that AMT/Ertl wrote a Bigfoot piece the same way they did with Orange Blossom.

Technically, I don't even need the gearhead stats about parts and such. For my purposes (a game write-up), it would be sufficient to learn the vehicle's weight, typical occupants/cargo, pulling capacity, top speed, and zero-to-sixty. Further details, such as engine power, performance differences between high and low gears, and so forth would help round things out, but aren't strictly necessary.

My project is basically an attempt to write an abstraction (role-playing game stats) of an abstraction (the cartoon) of a handful of vehicles clouded by modern legend, and just hoping that I end up with something that's in the ballpark regarding accuracy.
 

Fat Brian

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These aren't set in stone but I can ballpark it for you. Weight was around 11 to 12 thousand pounds, occupants were typically one but two max, pulling sleds typically weight 30 thousand pounds empty and top out north of 60, top speed for early monsters was 40 to 50 mph depending on they specific trucks weight and gearing, zero to top speed was sub 10 second but varied depending on the surface, horsepower was around 600 with the original 460 and over 1,000 with the Alan Root 640. Keep in mind a lot of figures were kept fuzzy on purpose since this was a competition vehicle.
 

1F409

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Thanks, I'll see what I can squeeze out of those numbers.

I'd seen the 11,000-pound stat on the official site, but it wasn't clear as to whether that was with the larger tires, better engine, or what -- probably the only certainty being the heavy axles. Plus, even if I were to compare the exact weights of the original and replacement parts, there's still the x-factor of the miscellaneous reinforcements done to the truck.

Would you say that the 48-inch tire version would still be around 11,000 pounds? (If there's reason to think that the early version would be as low as 10,000 pounds, the game would be treat it as "automobile" rather than "heavy wheeled", though perhaps merely upgrading an existing vehicle would offer an exemption from that.) My current assumption is that the re-build performed in the cartoon represents the real truck's upgrade to 66-inch tires and 640 engine. In that respect, I guess I'll have to do two write-ups for Bigfoot I.
 
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